Friday, March 19, 2010

TIRUPATI - BALAJI- IS A JAIN TEMPLE OF DRAVID CIVILIZATION.

WORLD'S RICHEST TEMPLE – THIRUMALAI - TIRUPATI - BALAJI- LORD VENKATESHWARA IS A JAIN TEMPLE OF DRAVID CIVILIZATION.
This is originally a Jain temple converted by Ramanujam/Sankaracharya around 8th century A.D onwards along with 1000s other dravid temples.
.Complete idol is covered to hide its original identity. Balaji has been photographed on many occassions without Jewellary and it is found to be a Jain Standing Tirthankara Neminath which many brahmins believe and admit. Archaelogical scientists, honest historians have proved this to be a Jain temple.
Millions of people visit Balaji temple but no one know reality about this temple. It is truly a Dravid temple, which is confirmed by Archaelogical department as Jain temple. Many brahmins silently believe and agree that it is originally Jain temple converted by Ramanujam and Sankaracharya as 1000s of other dravid Jain temples converted, rechristened by Avatar philiosophy. No Historian can ever claim that there was any god by name Lord Venkateshwara.
Many historians world wide believe - any given old temple in southern part of India is originally a Jain temple. However it may have changed its name. Archaeological Senior officers (who chose not to comment much due to political dominance ) firmly believe that originally complete dravid population was Jain who were not fighters like aryans, and believers of Ahimsa, whose heritage was stolen by cunning aryans who came to India around 3500 years ago. For example Thirukural was product of dravid civilization ( written by Jain Saints) but later it was labelled as Hindu literature at the time Hinduism was not known with its present name around 1st century B.C.when sacrifice of animals and vaidic religion was in vogue.

To conclude Tirupati balaji temple is wonderful temple belonging to all devotees, it can be run the way it is going. But at least its true history and identity has to be made known.
Most of gods elsewhere in Hinduism whose abhisekham is performed in public view, same way Tirupati's rituals need to be done in open with public view. As we all believe god are not property of brahmins alone, but they belong to devotees.
Why Tirupati Lord venkateshwara's face has to be hidden. When no face of Lord Rama, Lord Krishna, Lord siva, Lord brahma, Lord Ganesha are hidden. This looks quite weird hiding face of god to mislead its real identity.
We would all love to have our god let it be Brahmin or Jain , it has to be in open for everyone.
Let us ask those brahmins to perform all pooja, abhisekham openly, not to hide with curtains or by closing doors. There is absolutely no need to keep God in private if this is real .
This is one of reason only 2 % of complete structure is visible to devotees, which doesn't happen with Lord Krishna, Lord Rama, Lord Hanuman, Lord Ganesha in other parts of India. God's identy is hidden only in such temples when temple would have been converted from Jain temple and their naming is done on fabricated, non-historical avatars.
Can we request temple authorities to reveal its true identity and to see full face and posture of god Can we have real photograph without artificial projected hands, face and other parts.
From ages Dravid history has been mutilated, wrongly potrayed by so called responsbile vested interests of society, politics and even government. It is Aryans whose history, mythology and wrong facts are superimposed over dravid history, who were immigrants to India. Dr Santhalingam, senior director of Archaelogical survey and his assistant, and ASI has unpublished researched facts which clearly state that , Every old temple in south was once jain temple, presently known with different identity created by brahmins, few such examples out of 1000s of dravid jain temples converted to Brahmin temples are:
1) Madurai Meenakshi temple
2) Kanchipuram kamakshi temple (Kanchipuram has more than 100 temples)
3) Varadaperumal temple ( kanchipuram)
4) Thiruvanmalai Arunachalam temple
5) Mylapore kapaliswara temple
6) Nagaraja temple nagercoil
7) Thirumala Balaji temple, ( total resemblance to thirumalai jain temple in Arni district)
Dr. Santhalingam expressed that due to political circumstances these facts cannot be disclosed or published, but facts remain same. He also said Thiruvalluvar was a Jain saint who wrote the famous Tamil classic Thirukural He has done enough research but unable to publish same.Even Tamil was evolved from Dravid Jain civilization born out of Brahmi language. Enough evidences are avaialable from epigraphyAccording to him Aryan Brahims invaded jain temples and converted them as their source of livelihood.
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Sudeep Kumar said...
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Anonymous said...

I am stunned by these allegations. There are references in early Tamil literature to Thiruvenkatamudayan, and the Azhwars, Tamil poets, spoke of Him as the one who unites all of us in to one kulam - thondarkulam.

Sankara was a Sanskrit scholar, but irAmanusar and his followers defended Tamizh culture by propagating the Azhwar verses as Tamizh Murai and Dravida Vedam.

And how is Dravida linked to Jainism, which is rooted in the clearly Northern Indian ideas of karma and vairagyam; concepts not found it Tamil thought?

Kannan said...

Quite confusing.

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kalpvraksha said...

Well it is a scientifically proven fact that all these temples were originally Jain Temples because Acharya Bhadrabahu Swami with Chandragupta Maurya and 12000 disciples migrated from present Bihar to deep South. He being very learned and all knowing awakened all the people over there to know the real meaning of Dharma or what is Human life. Modern philosophers who have made research on Jainism have concluded that the Jain thoughts all in all harmony with the modern science and more the science develops the more the jain idea of life will get proven. So without any bias one should go deep in Jain idea of humanlife and find for himself what he was looking for all his life. Get a start up by putting a call mail on kalpvraksha@gmail.com

kalpvraksha said...

Well it is a scientifically proven fact that all these temples were originally Jain Temples because Acharya Bhadrabahu Swami with Chandragupta Maurya and 12000 disciples migrated from present Bihar to deep South. He being very learned and all knowing awakened all the people over there to know the real meaning of Dharma or what is Human life. Modern philosophers who have made research on Jainism have concluded that the Jain thoughts all in all harmony with the modern science and more the science develops the more the jain idea of life will get proven. So without any bias one should go deep in Jain idea of humanlife and find for himself what he was looking for all his life. Get a start up by putting a call mail on kalpvraksha@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

Well it is a scientifically proven fact that all these temples were originally Jain Temples because Acharya Bhadrabahu Swami with Chandragupta Maurya and 12000 disciples migrated from present Bihar to deep South. He being very learned and all knowing awakened all the people over there to know the real meaning of Dharma or what is Human life. Modern philosophers who have made research on Jainism have concluded that the Jain thoughts all in all harmony with the modern science and more the science develops the more the jain idea of life will get proven. So without any bias one should go deep in Jain idea of humanlife and find for himself what he was looking for all his life. Get a start up by putting a call mail on kalpvraksha@gmail.com

Anonymous said...

Well it is a scientifically proven fact that all these temples were originally Jain Temples because Acharya Bhadrabahu Swami with Chandragupta Maurya and 12000 disciples migrated from present Bihar to deep South. He being very learned and all knowing awakened all the people over there to know the real meaning of Dharma or what is Human life. Modern philosophers who have made research on Jainism have concluded that the Jain thoughts all in all harmony with the modern science and more the science develops the more the jain idea of life will get proven. So without any bias one should go deep in Jain idea of humanlife and find for himself what he was looking for all his life. Get a start up by putting a call mail on kalpvraksha@gmail.com

Rajender said...

Manishaa and Rajendra Jain

This is surely an eye-opener, though Tirupati Balaji is revered all over the world in his present form. Whether Neminath or Lord Venkateshwara, one thing is certain-this god bestows you with abundance and answers all your prayers.

mohit said...

Dear sir i am mohit jain from www.facebook.com/jainthebest
and i am search the history of balaji temple in A.P..i am sure it is jain temple so i would like to get touch with you....pleaseeeeeeee mae me at thebestjain@gmail.com

m.d. rajendran, chennai said...

Before his incarceration, Sri Jayendra Saraswati Swamy of Kanchi Mutt visited Tirupathi and mentioned that it is "NOT A VAISHNAVITE" temple, which invited hue and cry from Jeeayars of Vaishnavite Mutts. Though he did not mention about the real identity of The Idol he was admitting the facts posted in this blog about Thirupathi temple.

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Krishna Rao. S T said...

i am Hindu historian I ve read a old inscription named "bukkaraya sandi" available with archaeological dept. Karnataka. (you can visit city central library at bangalore for the copy)This is originally an agreement between jains and vaishnavas in 14th century stating jains have to leave thirumala neminath temple to vaishnavas and vaishnavas will not destroy Shravanabelagola bahubali statue as a good gesture. otherwise king buukkaraya (one of the founder of vijayanagar Empire?)will punish all jains in his kingdom .....

MBA said...

Thank you Mr. Krishna Rao I appreciate you even I read the "bukkaraya sandi" It is very interesting and the true

Deepak Jain said...

India is a secular country can we worship this as Jain as well Hindu norms

Deepak Jain

CA. Gaurav Jain said...

Dear Mr. Krishna Rao,
As you have said that on the basis of Bukkaraya Sandi, Tirupati temple was left by the Jains to save Shravanbelgola temple... I think that's enough to prove that Tirupati was originally a Jain temple with Jain idols still there...

CA. Gaurav Jain said...

Dear Mr. Krishna Rao,
As you have said that on the basis of Bukkaraya Sandi, Tirupati temple was left by the Jains to save Shravanbelgola temple... I think that's enough to prove that Tirupati was originally a Jain temple with Jain idols still there...

Anonymous said...

even wife of balaji at kolhapur also a jain temple see this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6WgrstANsQa

sikender said...

jaijinendra. Ya thats in reality a jain tample of lord Naminath who is 22'th teertankra of jain religious. Jainjinenra. N we r jains.

Anonymous said...

this is true...
if u check jain literature....
chandragupt maurya was jain king....
complete dravid population was jain...
and even King Samprati ....vanshaj of chandra gupt had built more than 1.25 lac jain temples in india...and he created more than 1.25 crore jain god idols in northen...western and southern parts of india....
and tirupati balaji....originally lord neminath idol was originally made by king samprati...

Anonymous said...

Hi, I completely agree with your posts... When you speak about theerthangarar were beleived to be aseevaham which is the origin of all. Kindly please check into that.

Anonymous said...

Nothing can b done now.we can just notify what is what,but any attempt to claim may lead to clashes & hatred.
Only we can do is whenever we visit da temple we pray da idol @ Neminath prabhu rather than Balaji.

arun said...

Kindly let it know to all the world so all can know the truth

Rajendar Jain said...

Agree. Jai Jinendra. Jai Mahaveer

Rajendar Jain said...

True. Jai NEMINATH. Jai MAHAVEER. Jai Jinendra.

JEET said...

Who will bell the cat

Anonymous said...

Worship it as any god coz god exists and no one can deny that..

Anonymous said...

Very interesting, Whether it is Neminath or Balaji, both are one and the same.

Anonymous said...

jai neminath trust is hidding its original identity

Anonymous said...

Sirji, pahle jaino ki ekta ki baate kare, fir jin tirtho k baare main jaino kfirko main dispute chal rahe hai unko solve kar dijiye.aaj bhi Antrish Parsvnath ki murty apujit avstha main sarkari nigrani main quid khane main padi hai.crodo rupiye dono pakdo k court kachheri main kharch ho rahe , jago or aapsi disputr solve kar tirtho ko asayna se bachaye.

Anonymous said...

Very intresting truth and to be focussed by all jain sadhu sadhvi's to all jain community and others .I really appreciate this type of khoj about jain dharm.live andlet live, jai jinendra.veerandra jain

Unknown said...

Please read the online book "Tirupati Balaji was Buddhist Shrine" by K.Jamanadas

Anonymous said...

Same is the situation with ram janm bhumi and jaggannath puri. But we can still let them go, but at present also there are many teerth where Hindus r extending their feet's every day forcibly like girnarji and udaygiri and khandgiri at bhubneshwar. At girnarji a digamber saint was beaten brutally too. Its time that we all jains unite in true manner and safeguard our amulya theerths. We shud be assured tht we r following philosophy of ahimsa and that's the only thing that wud finally save the world. So the followers of ahimsa and all theerthsthans wud get their place back not only historic but of future as well, and we the jains of today's generation wud stand together to make this a reality. Jai jinendra

Sushil Jain said...

Om Hrimm Neminathai Namah! God! Help us. It is difficult to take a call on this issue. Yes I believe this is a Jain Temple of Neminath. Its more than belief. I am fully convinced. Baba Neminath, aap hi kuch karo. Rasta Dikhao. Sushil Jain

Abhinandan Mr Jain said...

Hello all Jai Jinendra As Tirupati Balaji is 100% Sri Neminath 22nd Teertankar jain god has standing in digmabar murthi…………………

Anonymous said...

Hi sir, Its very informative but its within the jains itself.. i want you to come on tv and discuss about this.. cos a show in tv has been trying to prove your article a false one.. its my humble request.. let everyone know about this... Take a stand and you will find us all with you..

Sri Vivek said...

I'm sorry , so are you saying there were 'no temples' older than the Jain temples in India or for that matter south India? If so, you must be seriously impervious to the overwhelming facts,sites, books etc that are available for you to change your views! Even otherwise Mahabharata or Ramayana or even the puranas or sites that depict hindu temples or books that speak of other rishis or countless other facts are there for your perusal. In any case, the term 'hindu' refers to all of us,, and that includes the respectable Jains as well! There is no such hinduism that involves only vaishnavites or brahmins only! That false image is spread by ignorants only. Those ignorant people include non indians, and ignorant indians(including jains,muslims,hindus etc). Please dont spread such things that claim Jains to be the oldest! The oldest temple itself is almost impossible to find and ascertain, let alone jain temples! And also, there are south indian temples as old and older than Jains themselves. Peace.

ranjan said...

what is the problem with u folks?
bukkaraya sandi is false some people like u must have spread with base less proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6WgrstANsQa

if it was converted why they left that room with jain swamis?
why they didn't destroy it ?
maha lakshmi is god of all it is a hindu temple.
the room with jains might be something related only does'nt show it as jain temple

see again u r proof is baseless .do u think mankind first pupil was jain? I think that what in u r mind?
now stoooooooop this nonsense n pray n be happy

Anonymous said...

Dear Ranjan,

If you say that the bukkaraya sandi is a false document then its not required to be in the library the first place. I would be more then happy if you can prove that its a false document and that way there would be no argument whether TRIPUATI is a Jain or a vaishnav temple. Hence asking people to stop speaking is not solution if you cannot prove it wrong the same way as others are relying on that piece of document.


Unknown said...

Very old is the Tamil’s history and their culture
believed to have existed
before the dinosaraus and it’s extincture
They go back to the Indus Valley and
to the city of Mohenjo daro
a place older than Greece, Rome and the Pharoh
They had personal toilets
in two tier houses, where men lived
with their children and their spouses.
There was public granary, public baths and sewerage systems
There was a town hall, place of worship and very interesting customs.
The original Dravidians
were not short and stocky as believed to be,
with matted hair and African features
it was a story made up
by the conquering Aryans
when writing their history and their scriptures .
What the Aryans saw were the
the Mundas and the Gonds, the Bhils and the Vaddas
the original inhabitants and their gentry
and thought them as the dravidians
of this ancient country.
The pure Dravidians have Middle Eastern looks
far from the description in the current history books.
They were more sophisticated
than the invading tribes
proof of it is, they never subscribed
to animal sacrifices or even prescribed.
They were a peace loving people
and never been to war
with neighbours near or neighbours far.
From the Meenovans of Crete
to the Pandiyons of Greece
the language bound them together
and they lived in perfect harmony and peace
till the Aryans came
and what they saw
left them in awe ,
a well developed race
full of poise and grace;
They started taking the best from them
and making it a Aryan case.
The best they took from Dravidianism
they later called it Brahminism
Then the two began to drift apart
with the Aryans keeping the northern part
driving the Dravidians south
by foot and cart .
The Dravidians finally made home the south,
preserving everything in palm leaves,
and by word of mouth.
The origins of Tamils can be split in two
One with middle eastern looks and
the originals from the Indus fixture
the others of afro origins
and of the local tribes mixture.
One of the original tamils were the ancient Jains
who wrote all the great Tamil classics in a veritable chain.
Tholkappium to Thirukural and all the great works
later claimed by pseudo tamils and religious jerks.
They exist as Samanars or Nainars today,
a woeful 50,000 in number
quietly practicing Jainism
and calling themselves Digamber.
Most of the ancient temples standing today
where built by the Samanars of yesterday
converted to shaivite and vaishanavite faith
sad testimonies to an ancient religion’s fate.

I come from a obscure village
called Thiruparuthikundram
Built around a Jain temple
2000 years old, by the Pallava Kingdom.
It’s so obscure you won’t find it in a map
it’s been there so long, like other Jain temples,
all lost in some time warp.
Ours is a family of conservative tamil Jains ,
pure dravidian , with no north indian strains
that we are the original tamils
is documented history
our contributions to the tamil literature
is no great a mystry.
But when some extremists’ hate
started affecting our fate
we fled our lands in fear
to protect our faith so dear.
Jainism teaches many things simple
including cures from cancer to pimple
that all living things are equal
and have a part to play
in a grand design of natures play
Each is a God and a power by himself
playing his part to empower and help
the master Design, work itself.
To understand the ‘Design’ requires
some effort and muscle
And then the pieces will fall
like a cross word puzzle.
till then you keep doing your bit
as you feel right, as you feel fit,
then the answers will come, in
a flash or a hit.
It teaches us to learn
from disasters past,
lessons from history and civilizations lost
before it’s too late and the dyes are cast.
All plants and animals are equal
making the eco balance ,
sewed together in harmony
by nature’s ingenious talents
and all we need to do is
just apply our mind and
attain nirvana on the find.

Anonymous said...

Strange we hindus are fighting over such issue. Nobody is fighting over taj mahal as original shiva temple.
mahaveer ji was hindu prince...right?
And if it was neminath ji temple...than why tirupati is growing. Ask your saints, may be neminath ji to destroy the whole tirupati hill.

If i tell you that this statue is originally bala tripur sundari..will you belive. Check the origina statue and upper part. It represents female body.
Ask...tantra sadhaks of srividya. Its a female avtar of vishnu.

Also the saying goes jains hardly follow ahimsa parmk dharma...
Check in your family and in your business are you really loving to all and honest to customers. Giving fair deal. And than you say business is business...

Anonymous said...

Good story. I can say thousands of stories like this.

Anonymous said...

yeh mandir jain mandir hi hai is ki ek kahani hai bramin samaj wale bahubali jain mandir ko todne wale the usko bachane ke liye tirumala jain tample bramino ko de diya giya

ROHIT JAIN DELHI said...

I WANT TO REQUEST HINDUS, IF THEY REALY WANT TO REMOVE DOUBTS FROM THE MIND OF JAINS, TO LET ANY OF DIGAMBAR JAIN ACHARYA SEE THE IDOL OF TIRUPATI BALAJI IN ITS NAKED CONDITION & ISSUE ONE PICTURE OF THE IDOL WITHOUT THE OUTER COVERING. JUST DO THAT & YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REMOVE DOUBTS FROM THE MIND OF ALL THE JAINS. SO FAR AS PREYING TO LORD NEMINATH TO DESTROY TIRUPATI HILL IS CONCERNED, PLEASE NOTE THAT HE IS IN SIDDHALYA & IS AWAY FROM ALL THESE WORDLY MATTER. HE HAS SHOWN US THE PATH, IF WE WILL FOLLOW THE SAME WE TOO CAN GOT MOKSH & IF WE CONTINUE TO FIGHT WE WILL KEEP ON FIGHTING.

Anonymous said...

Rohit Jain

Then why not open the basement of Taj Mahal.

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/was_the_taj_mahal_a_vedic_temple.htm

Anonymous said...


Agara mudhala ezhuthellam aadhi
bhagavan mudhatrey ulagu.

which means "A" is the first and source of all the letters. Even so is God Primordial the first and source of all the world.

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~pluralsm/affiliates/jainism/jainedu/jaingod.htm

However Jainism does believe in God, not as a creator, but as a perfect being. When a person destroys all his karmas, he becomes a liberated soul. He resides in a perfect blissful state in Moksha. He possesses infinite knowledge, infinite vision, infinite power, and infinite bliss. This living being is a God of Jain religion.

The living being is a God of Jainism. Now if Tirukkural is a Jain text, how does one justify the first verse sung by Tamils all over the world with " Aadhi Bhagvan". This verse Agara mudhala zhuthellam aadhi bhagavan mudhatrey ulagu" defeats the premise of Jain concept of God.

Sanjay Mehta said...

thanks of knowledge

Sanjay Mehta said...

thanks for knowledge

ravi said...

if you feel this as information, then the anti indians anti Hindu and Anti Jains task is full done to grow hatered in the indians mind and fight them selfs and then do there process of converting the christ or islam under the cover, only fools belive this and Hindus and Jains belive same origen and same god sole super sole. kick on the face any fool who try to diffrenciate hindus jains in the name of inteligent or cast histroy etc, as 1000s of hindus and jains temples are destruyed by mohmed rulers, Remember there unity saved some temples in the world

ravi said...

I my self visited many jain temples I respect jain culture is very similar to hindu in each and every thing, please stop believing the storys blindly dont insult any of the indian Religions all the indian religions are from Sanathana Dharma, they have common base and orgine live and let live unlike mohmed and christ kill and enjoy concept dont blame each other community some anti Indian religion people try to spread hatered in each of the religion to over gain us easly, see the below link to see the Lord of Tirumala now it is prohibeted. I am not trying to convence fools, intelegent need not have to be convenced they work for unity of Indian religions and grow with unity.



http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ytpsXOTY-UA/0.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DytpsXOTY-UA&h=360&w=480&sz=12&tbnid=I8veRHcSdB7_gM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=119&zoom=1&usg=__mpEzg2l7uAoAVSxchfbgBeOW40g=&docid=S0sxMBOYp5XPdM&sa=X&ei=EDs3UoyYJs6QhQfZgYGQAg&ved=0CFgQ9QEwCg&dur=755&surl=1


Anonymous said...

Original Idol (with 4 Hands) of Tirupati Balaji - Venkateswara without any Ornaments was filmed in early 1960s' for devotees...

Watch at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77hdQABiOGo

From this Idol posture and signs on it, it can be concluded that this idol is not of Sri-Neminath 22nd Tirthankar.

Chari said...

There is fresh understanding that a way of life called Aseevaham initially existed which consisted of Siddhars as the spiritual people.
That way of life or system was based in nature or what is called eco-centric practice and was also practiced in Monhenjodaro times. It is postulated that these people spoke/developed an ancient Tamil.

Aseevaham is also known as Shramana faith. An offshoot of this faith incorporating much of its ideologies is Jainism (which has changed since to the Jainism of today)
Since Shramana was practiced widely, it is possible that people in northern states practiced it and then became Theerthankaras
As there were several theertankaras before Mahavira, there was something before Jainism and it should have been Shramana.

If there is a samadhi of a Siddhar in Tirupathi or an Idol, it could only be of Aseevaham or Shramana. Since the maximum remnants of Shramana is Jainism, in that way it can be related to Jainism.

What happened to Shramana faith ? well it was distorted by the Indo-Aryans and removed as the Siddhars of the Shramana faith had a softer attitude and no ego compared to that of Maharishi's of the Indo- Aryans.

Even if the idol was Shramana or Indo Aryan the energy of the place does not change and even if you call the idol Venkateshwara or Balaji or Neminath. May the Divine Grace bless those who gave us the place we now call Thirupathi !

Anonymous said...

brahmin is a mother fucker iranian tribe..Rajput is also another mother fucker tribe.Together these bastards corrupted pure indian minds with caste etc...

Anonymous said...

please use descent language

CA. Gaurav Jain said...

I am searching for the documents "Bukkaraya Sandi". Can somebody help me out ?

Ajay Jain said...

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Anonymous said...

Vedic religion->Shiva & Vaishnava -> Buddhism -> Jainism -> Sikhism

NOname said...

We jains are not Hindus and Jainism is the different religion. Even the government has declared it that while mentioning the religion name in any application or any other documents it has to be mentioned as jain and not as hindu.

Anonymous said...

It ' is wrong ! Now i tell you the truth ! Truth is that lord naminatha the trithankara of jain tradition was cousin of lord krishna and also he was also a son of king whos empire was including south area of india ! South indian people started worshiping him as avatar of narayana ! So naminatha in south is known as venketatsha! Now it is our fault that many of us do not know this " one more thing jainism is purest form of sanatan dharama which our forefather used to follow ! Means after doing all due work people used to opt for sanyas asharam in same tradition lord rama ! Pandava ane even mouran king chandra gupta opted salvition "so jainism is one of internal part of hindunism ! And concept of arayan and dravid is als wrong it was just brought so hindu ( indian community) so get unite

Radha manohar said...

in response to Well it is a scientifically proven fact that all these temples were originally Jain Temples because Acharya Bhadrabahu Swami with Chandragupta Maurya and 12000 disciples migrated from present Bihar to deep South. He being very learned and all knowing awakened all the people over there to know the real meaning of Dharma or what is Human life. Modern philosophers who have made research on Jainism have concluded that the Jain thoughts all in all harmony with the modern science and more the science develops the more the jain idea of life will get proven. So without any bias one should go deep in Jain idea of humanlife and find for himself what he was looking for all his life. Get a start up by putting a call mail on kalpvraksha@gmail.com, by Anonymous.

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Sivakumar K said...

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Anonymous said...

Jainism and vedic culture are only two cultures that existed in India. Jainism is a way of life very much like vedic brahmanism. Adi shankara converted the whole of tamilnadu, Kashmir, Himachal and parts of Andhra, karnatak and Kerala. Many temples in south which are originally Jain temples were converted. well that was the norm those days, king changed religion the praja will follow. Jainism was under attack from philosiphy of Buddhism ( budhdha admited that he was a digambar monk for gew years) and on the other side vedic culture which was diluted by new things added by aryans. Tamil Sain poet Thiruvaluvar was a Jina follower. One can easily see the Jain philosphy in Thirukural. In fact work Thiru comes from "tirthankar" thiruvanantpuram was tirhtankaranantpuram... you can see 100 similarities in the village names, which are only found in Jain Literature. One example is "palli" all the grams and purams named palli are "staying place of shramanars" Even as on date most of the Nayanars in tamilnadu follow jainism. If one has to take a historic view, then one has to admit that the founder of the Vijaynagar Dynasty Bukka Raya did enter into a sandhi with Jains. Majoritarian views always dismiss the facts which are inconvenient to them. But they should understand Kal changes....

Jainvaani said...

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Jainvaani said...

Jain Vaani is a platform where you know about Jain Religion (Dharma). Online Jain Radio gives you many Jain Dharma, Jain Music, Jain Tirth & Temples in India.

Source: Jain Radio

Anonymous said...

Indeed a interesting blog... Good to know lot of things, true or false I don't know but what I know is India is a country of mysteries. And yes Jainism is one of the oldest dharma or may be THE oldest dharma in this world.

Anonymous said...

The Aryan Migration theory relates to the infiltration of Brahmins(Zoroastrian Priests ab initio) into India.If you really want to visit the original inhabitants of INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION, plz visit ANDAMAN AND NICOBAR ONCE.Many of the aboriginal tribes of Dravidians and Australoids went into some racial intermixing inside INDIA.HOWEVER,THE ANDAMANESE REMAINED CUT OFF FROM SUCH PHASES AND POSSESS STILL THE MOST OF THEIR AFRICAN FEATURES.The ARYAN INVASION THEORY SHOULD BE RETERMED AS MIDDLE EAST INVASION THEORY which would then never confuse anyone with the variety of Aryans dwelling in the Northern Bharat(Brahmins,Sycthians,Huns,Mongolians,Afgans(ROHILLA RAJPUT),Dardic Iranians(KASHMIRI),Indo-greeks(Rajputs and Brahmins of Himachal Pradesh,Darker Iranians(Gujjars from Georgia,They are similar to Kurd Tribe of Turkey)...

sachin jain said...

Nice post. Such a wonderful information about Jain Tirth and Jain Temples in India.

Regards,
Jain Dharma

Jainvaani said...

Such a wonderful information about Jain Music and Jain Dharma. I really happy with your article which contains information on Jain Religion. Looking for the same...

Anonymous said...

Before we get ahead and pat ourselves in the back for discovering an ancient Jain temple. See the you tube link when Abhishekam of Lord Srinivasa was recorded. After watching the video you will be convinced it is not Nimanatha as the idol clearly has 4 hands like any Mahavishnu statue

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DytpsXOTY-UA&h=KAQFGvAy2

Anonymous said...

Jain is a word coined about 2500yrs ago
it is a way of life from time unknown
before jain ,the word samanar (dont know the correct spelling ) was used by tamil peoples (more properly south India) .
It was achariya kundkund because of who the jain as a religion is alive today. otherwise aryans were succesfull in removing the samanar dharam .

Dravidans were know as worshipers of nude peoples (samana munivar ).
tamil peoples were a very strong followers of jain faith ,since their existance .
It was aryans who used who bought the concept of religion in india .in ancient indian books of vedas ,puranas etc it is clearly mentioned about the ways of worshiping .if u see ancient indian books ,then any one can easily conclude that what the current ideology of worship and culture is being followed today by hindus is wrong .

i am saying the above point because i want to encourage everybody who is blaming jains to read this ancient indian books .
and also to read jain version of ramayan ,mahabarath etc .

Anonymous said...

the Hinduism presented today is as unclear as the name coined by british

i am saying this in order too show the lack of true knowledge

pls all hindu friends pls learn ancient Indian religious books or hindu religious books what ever u call
note:
not the latest created ,versions of books which are found only in few places

nishant modi said...

Very nice post on Jain Temples in India. Thanks for the useful information about Jain Religion !!

ybr (alias ybrao a donkey) said...

There does not seem to be a religion called Hinduism. It is a sum total of more than 100 cultures including Jainism, Buddhism, Saivism, Ramanuja PancarAtra Vaishnavism, Shakti, Skandha, GaNapati, SUrya, dattAtrEya, Sikhism, VaikhAnasa VaishNavism, PAsupata Saivam, etc. etc. First of all there is no proof of God. The object of prayers and worship is to be conquering senses (jin=win over senses), have great intellect (buddha = intellect). Our search can, therefore, limit itself to exploration of truth, and shd not go towards re-opening of medieval quarrels. The quarrels among Jains, Buddhists, Saivaites, VaishNavaites made it easy for Alluddin Khilji, Mohd. Bin. Tuglack, Ghiyazuddin Tuglack, to destroy most temples and kill lakhs of people.

Hence, whatever, we write we may have to write without "love and hate" (rAgam and dvEsham). To these 100 sub-cultures we now have to add shiya, sunni, sufi, Catholic, Protestant, Syrian Catholic, Seventh Day Adventist, Luthern, etc. so that the new number comes to 1000.

Anonymous said...

It is impossible to assign a Dravidian origin to the Jaina and Buddhist religions as the Tirthankaras and Buddhas are clearly designated as Kshatriyas and Aryas. Jainism like Buddhism must therefore be traced to an earlier phase of Aryan culture. I have shown that all Indian evidence is in favour of the original home of the Aryans being Bharata – Varsa

Anonymous said...

Dr. S. Radhakrishnan affirms, “The Bhagavata Purana endorses the view that Rishabha was the founder of Jainism. There is evidence to show that so far back as the first century B.C. there were people who were worshipping Rishabhadeva, the first Tirthankar. There is no doubt that Jainism prevailed even before Vardhamana Mahavira, or Parsvanatha. The Yajurveda mentions the names of three Tirthankaras, Rishabha, Ajitnath and Aristanemi” (Indian Philosophy, P.287)

Anonymous said...

Ex. Director-General of the Archaeological Survey of India, M. N. Deshpande states,
“This extract helps in satisfactorily understanding the distinctive nature and origin of Jain asceticism which was distinct from Brahmanic asceticism. Original name of Hinduism is Brahminism and Vedic religion

Anonymous said...

Professor L. P. Tessitory is of opinion that "Jainism is of a very high order. Its important teachings are based upon science. The more the scientific knowledge advances the more the Jain teachings will be proven".

Anonymous said...

Thus, one may sum up, the antiquity of Jainism in the words of Hermann Jacobi:
“In conclusion let me assert my conviction that Jainism is an original system, quite distinct, and independent from all others.

Color Holidays said...

Wow! Lovely place for holidays, its beautiful. I wanna go there. Whole hillstation is one of best destination for holidays. tirupati balaji tour

Hara hara maha dev said...

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Fake story

Bhai tuje bhukar aaya

Jain fever

Tera story main dam nahi he
Koy proof bi nahi.

Aisa lagra ha he

Beta baap se kaha
Baap tu mera beta he
Dekh shekal thoda same same he
Aisa lagraha he story

Jain Hindu people happy he abhi
Tera jaisa log ki wajese
Hindu jain relation bigad jayega

Jain people don't believe this fake story.

Blog khole ke jain people se fund ka kuch jole karneka lagraha he.

Fake post

Anonymous said...

The name Bhārata (भारत) has been used as a self-ascribed name by people of the Indian subcontinent and the Republic of India.[3] The designation Bhārata appears in the official Sanskrit name of the country, Bhārata Gaṇarājya. The name is derived from the ancient Hindu Puranas, which refer to the land that comprises India as Bhārata varṣam and uses this term to distinguish it from other varṣasor continents.[4] For example, the Vayu Puranassay "he who conquers the whole of Bharata-varsa is celebrated as a samrāt (Vayu Purana 45, 86)."[4]
According to the Puranas, this country is known as Bharatavarsha after the King Bharata Chakravarti. This has been mentioned in Vishnu Purana (2,1,31), Vayu Purana,(33,52), Linga Purana(1,47,23), Brahmanda Purana (14,5,62), Agni Purana ( 107,11–12), Skanda Purana, Khanda (37,57) and Markandaya Purana (50,41), all using the designation Bharata Varsha.

Vishnu Purāna mentions:

ऋषभो मरुदेव्याश्च ऋषभात भरतो भवेत्
भरताद भारतं वर्षं, भरतात सुमतिस्त्वभूत्
Rishabha was born to Marudevi, Bharata was born to Rishabh,
Bharatavarsha (India) arose from Bharata, and Sumati arose from Bharata.
—Vishnu Purana (2,1,31)
ततश्च भारतं वर्षमेतल्लोकेषुगीयते
भरताय यत: पित्रा दत्तं प्रतिष्ठिता वनम (विष्णु पुराण, २,१,३२)
This country is known as Bharatavarsha since the times the father entrusted the kingdom to the son Bharata and he himself went to the forest for ascetic practices[5]
—Vishnu Purana (2,1,32)

Anonymous said...

The above post is from Wikipedia - names of India. This post is not for argument or debate. It is to understand how old Jainism is. It is ancient enough to include the names of thirthankars in Vedas and Puranas.
Hence, let this post open up our minds, make us think deeper and deeper and unearth the true facts about various teligions. Let our inquisitive mind force the archeologists and historians throughout the world to conduct more research and find out the ultimate truth which will lead us to the path that will take us to God(if God exists).

Nitin Gupta said...

Ap kuch nai jante Jain dharm ke baare mei,jaiye or phle ache se samajh kar aiye

Nitin Gupta said...

Jain dharm hindu dharm ka hissa nai hai,ye anadi nidan dharm hai
Dono dharmo ki apni izzat apni pehchan hai,ap logo ko confuse na karein.i respect all religion but inko mix karna achi baat nai

Rajesh Jain said...

VISHNUPURAN MAY ES TIRUPATI BALAJI KA JIKRA KAISE HAI?

Nitin Gupta said...

Ap koi nai hote Hume ahinsa parmo dharm pe gyan dene wale,hum kitna apna dharm nibhate hai or kitna nai ye Hume ap jeso ko batane ki zaroorat nai,ap jese log hi bewajah jhagde karate hai,kya Jains ne is topic pe ap pe finger uthayi ki ap apna dharm kitna follow karte hai. Apko koi haq nai kisi ki manyata ya vishwas pe ya dharm nibhane ki pratha pe sawal Karne ka jese kisi or ko haq nai ap ki pratha ya dharm man ne ya na man ne pe finger uthane ka. Hum mamooli insan hai na ki Bhagwan.or Hume ye kabhi nai bhulna chahiye. Jai jinendra 🙏

Anonymous said...

please let me clarify.... Tirupati is Definately is Jain temple... Sanskrit is much much older than tamil. BUT DEFINATELY YOUNGER THAN PRAKRIT... Jainism is not part of Hindus. And very very important Hindu is just a Culture not DHARMA LIKE JAIN.

ravish jain said...

Ravish jain thanks and proud of birth in jain religion the oldest religion we should be proud on us

ravish jain said...

Ravish jain thanks and proud of birth in jain religion the oldest religion we should be proud on us

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T R Rao said...

Interesting reading. Bharata was not the original name of the country as mentioned by some one. Puranas only trace history and they are like book of kings. Puranas do not talk about religion. Its a known fact as per Rigveda, the land between Himalaya and Indusraovaram, in modern names, Himalayas and the Indian Ocean is termed as Hindu rashtra, taking the HI from the Himalayas and Indu from the Indosarovaram. The name Hindu was more and more used by the westerners including the tribes from the Middle east and they loosely used the word to be the lands east of the Sindhu river. Europeans used the same name Hindu later in much of the same way. The ancient hindu rashtra was a plethora of small kingdoms, fighting with each other for supremacy as born by the stories in Ramayana and Mahabharata. In the fight for supremacy, there was much violence and dharmas who preached non-violence emanated from the need to bring peace and Jainism and Budhism were a part of that social revival. In ancient India, there was no religion. It was always Sanatana Dharma. Rigveda does not talk about any religion but the worship of nature and the ways of co-existance with nature. Perhaps the oldest religion in the country was the Pasupathi worship, the worship of Shiva. Ramayana, mentions the worship of Shiva by Ram and the building of many temples for Shiva by Ram himself. Based o the astrological indicators from Rmayana, it is estimated that Ramayana happened app 8000 yrs ago and as the worship of Shiva was prominent then, we must accept that perhaps the oldest religion was Shaivism and not Jainism. India had seen many upheavals and kings chaned and along with the kings, religions changed. Whoever was in the power, destroyed the religious institutions of other religions and during the Jain revival, many shiva temples lost their glory, when Budhism was prevalent, the many Hindu temples were destroyed, when Hindu revival took place many Budhist centres were destroyed, when Islam entered India, many Jain, Hindu, Budhist institutions were destroyed. So, it is futile to fight for the glory of being the first religion as India had seen many foreign incursions and our religion, traditions changed from time to time and there is no pure religion as exists today. Also, these incursions also brought in a revival of bonhomie that people of all faiths could live together and co-exist in harmony. As, the religious centres changed hands many times based on the ruler's preference for a particular religion, it is not correct to have claims on any temple by any one religion in the present context. Status Quo must be maintained and as per law, the possessor is the owner and let us leave it at that. Arguments about something happened 1000 years ago will not alter the history and sensible people will look for peaceful and harmonious co-existence and look for the better future. Friends, leave it at that and live peacefully. Jinsim s a great religion and so are the other religions. let us not compete for superiority of any religion. All faiths lead to One GOD. The ancient history is much more complicated than what people think and its just not Aryan, Dravid, Muslim, Hun. The ancestry for all of them come from the same origin. I can discuss later on the origins of humankind later. Hope to see some nice, well articulated, harmonious posts from the educated elite of our country

T R Rao said...

Just wanted to follow up with some more facts. Many people have written that Chandragupta Maurya was Jain King. The fact is Chandragupta Maurya was born to Sarvarthasidhi, a Nanda and Mura a lady from a lower caste. He was never born a Jain. He fought many battles and unified a larger portion of India and upto Eastern flanks of Persia and then into Kyrgyzstan. History confirms that after he renounced his kingdom and handed over the empire to his son Bindusra, Chandragupta became a Jain and went to Shravanbelagola in Karnataka. History also says that Chandragupta Maurya did not conquer the Tamil lands under Chera and Chola kings and he could not establish his rule in the entire Southern part of India but upto karnataka. Even Orissa was not under his rule. This had led Ashoka to conquer Kalinga and after the kalinga war Ashoka embraced Buddhism and not Jainism. So, Jainism in the Maurya family was limited a few years after Chandragupta renounced his throne and did not even proceed into the next generation. So for the friends who think that the Dravidian kingdoms were conquered by Chandragupta and Jainism got established in Tamil territories is not borne by the facts and the historical facts as written by such writers as Megasthenes, Pliny etc., can not be ignored. Chandragupta Maurya's wife Helen did not embrace Jainism by the way. Hope these facts are accepted in the interest of history and truth.

Anonymous said...

ur post sucks

T R Rao said...

Doesnt matter anonymous, at least show guts to reveal your name and we can discuss with facts...

Anonymous said...

@TR Rao : then how does Rishaba's name exist in rig Vedas? Have you ever tried learning about Bharata and bahubali?(sons of Rishaba) have you learned about the sundri and the brahmi script(daughters of Rishaba) have you wondered why the great Tamil saint and poet thiruvalluvar, who is reverred throughout the world, speaks of Rishaba(adinatha) in his first thirukkural as the primal deity..
And please understand that the name Jainism was given now after Hinduism n Buddhism came into existence..it was earlier shramanism - the shraman dharma n don't know wat it was called before that...and if you try to understand Buddhism, you ll know Buddhism emanated from Jainism..buddha followed jain principles and was not sarisfied and he came out with his middle path..and if you try to understand, the principals and teachings of Buddhism is so similar to Jainism..
And it's not about controversies and argument. It is for each ones self. The tirthankars have laid down the path for liberation. To free ones soul from all miseries; to enlighten ones soul so that it experiences eternal peace and happiness; to attain supreme knowledge of this universe and your soul..and thirthankars or any jain teachers have never forced for their dharma to be followed..there is no compulsion..if you follow you benefit..your soul benefits..
If Jains would have forced anyone, the world wouldn't have seen the jain population just eroding by the day..

Anonymous said...

And also, bharatvarsha is India's name..it is still a part of so many texts, Pujas and prayers..I have heard the same being recited by priests n Pujaris in Hindu temples..and you can cross verify the same with Wikipedia

Dhanyakumar Jain said...

Its true anonymous ji balaji is a jain temple

Hara hara maha dev said...

Dhanyakumar Jain

Kya bachkane bath karteho

Balaji kya he
kaho venkateshwara tirupati temple

Jain is a born baby in front of Hinduism

Tum jain he is liye is mudde sahi lag raha hoga

Bolte samay soch samajke bol

Fake post.. Don't donate here jain people.

T R Rao said...

I am aware of the stories of Rishabha, Sundari, Brahmi, Bahubali, Bharata very well and I have not disputed any of these things. I think you missed something I wrote that in Ancient India, there was no religion. What existed was only Sanatana Dharma. Regarding the origin of Hindu and Hindustan there are several theories and I had clearly mentioned that it was the middle eastern tribes and westerners who used this word more and more and not locals. In Maha Bhagavatam written by ved Vyas, there is a story about Rishabha and Bharata as told by Lord krishna to Arjuna where it was mentioned that Bharata was also known as jada Bharata due to his lethargy. Krishna also tells Arjuna that Bharata renounced his kingdom like his father Rishabha and went into tapas seeking Mahapurush, Purushottama , Narayana. So, it indicates the worship of Narayana by the 2nd generation of Rishabadeva. The kalpasutras written by Bhadrbahu in 3rd century BC, mentions about the tradition of 4 thirthankaras only who are Rishabadatta, Arishtanemi, Parsva and Mahavira. The number of thirthankaras increased from 4 to 7 and then to 24 by the turn of 1st century AD. So, like any other religion Jainism also changed as per times and interpretations changed also accordingly. In some Jain literature, Rishabadeva was also equated to Ikshvaku. As per the list of kings provided by Valmiki in Ramayana, ikshvakus son was kikshi/Vikukshi and not Bharata. Rishaba's name is definitely mentioned and Rishaba wás praised in Rigveda but no where in Rigveda it is mentioned that Rishabadeva started a religion called Jain dharma. Rig veda also praises indra, Varuna, Ashwini Devatas, Agni and so many other Gods and it does not mean that all these started different dharmas. By referring to Rishaba in Rigveda, one can only establish the existence of a person by the name of Rishaba during the period of Rigveda but thats not a conclusive proof that jainism started during vedic times and that Jainism is the oldest religion. If you have read Rig Veda, you will also notice that Rig veda mentions about other kings, devatas and people who lived in the past prior to Rig veda and thus rig veda itself proves the existence of other human races, demi gods and gods and it is not of consequence as an initiator of a religion by Rishabadeva. In this context I will also recommend that you read the book titled "Lord Mahavira and his times by the author Kailashchand Jain and he throws more light about Jainism in an impassioned , factual, historical aspects of Jainism. '

Ultimately, what we must accept is that all the religions originated in India are collectively known as Hinduism and it doesn't matter in what form you worship , follow and 'live your life respecting the principles of your dharma. My request is that please do not claim supremacy of one religion over the other as it will lead only to division and by dividing the people of this country, you will not receive salvation and you will lose the ultimate goal of Nirvana as preached by jainism which is a great religion which stood the test of time. By keeping the country and its people united, you respect the tenets of jainism.

sachin said...

god will be always god even they may be jain or balaji or other.🙏🙏🙏and sanatan >jain> fir bodhdh dharm hua h...........

SHUBHAM JAIN said...

@T R Rao
I disagree to many of your points
The number of the tirthankars has never changed.. from 4 to 7 to 24. They have always been 24. There are always 48 tirthankars in every complete life cycle (24 in each half cycle : avsarpini and utsarpini). If one of the many texts mentioned the names of only a handful of tirthankars, that doesnot mean their actual numbers got changed.

"By referring to Rishaba (also known as Adinath) in Rigveda, one can only establish the existence of a person by the name of Rishaba during the period of Rigveda but thats not a conclusive proof that jainism started DURING VEDIC TIMES".
That can only mean that Jainism starting in the Pre-vedic period as Rishabadev is considered to be the 1st tirthankar.
Also Jains doctrines say that their religion to be ever-existing, having no origin and end. It is occasionally forgotten by humans and revived by a succession of tirthankaras in every life cycle.

Here is my idea of how these religions emerged.
Hope u know about sramana and sanatana traditions. They emerge from the same roots. But at the same time each of them retained their identity, their core, there essence. From these Sanatana core blossomed Vedas and Upanishads. And from the Shramana core, blossomed Jina. The followers of Jina called Jains remained close to their Shramana core and kept this tradition alive.
I believe them to be emerged in a similar way to how the Sikhism emerged from Hinduism. Started from same roots, then separated into shraman and Sanatana traditions may be like Shias-sunnis or Catholics-protestants.

That is why many facts and details found in their scriptures are similar, like in cosmology about the cycles within cycles for eternity (although concept of creator or destroyer of universe does not exist in Jainism). As the details about many thirthankars are found in Hindu scriptures, there is similar mention of Hindu deities (Rama, Krishna to name a few) in Jain Scriptures. There is even a complete, although a bit different, version of Ramayana in Jainism.

Also, There are many LEGENDS (undoubtedly arguable) of Jain temples being destroyed by kings and people of other religion including Hinduism, although I could not find the reverse (Jains destroying Hindu or other temples). If you have some information (doesn't matter if they are arguable legends), i will be happy to read them.

And yes, we are not fighting for the supremacy of one over the others. Just trying to be factual and knowing more about history is beneficial. Yes, we are united and will remain united. That is what India stands for: Unity in diversity :)

Arpit Bajaj said...

If it could happen that government of India do declare as not to hide the face .

Arpit Bajaj said...

If it could happen that government of India do declare as not to hide the face .

Arpit Bajaj said...

If it could happen that government of India do declare as not to hide the face .

Unknown said...

Lol.. Buddha followed jain principles come on grow up if you see the .. heart of the tirupathi balaji ull find goddess lakshmi.. now dont boast bro.. jainism.. came after hinduism ur saints preached ur religion.. and by the way.. if u check out ur ancestor they too wer hindus .. so instead of arguing on a baseless topic its better if u guys spread ahimsa.

Unknown said...

Lol.. Buddha followed jain principles come on grow up if you see the .. heart of the tirupathi balaji ull find goddess lakshmi.. now dont boast bro.. jainism.. came after hinduism ur saints preached ur religion.. and by the way.. if u check out ur ancestor they too wer hindus .. so instead of arguing on a baseless topic its better if u guys spread ahimsa.

Unknown said...

Dear nitin ' I am a digamber Jain and I proudly say that I am a Hindu ' in last 4 generation almost 5 people from. My family have become jain sadu and sadhivis so do not say I am not aware of. Jain tradition '. Jainism is a inseparable part of Hinduism ! Which has been authenticated by our jsin saint aharya tulsi and many more ' so please do not mark any public comments which goes against unity of our great Hindu sanathan dharama

Anonymous said...

Might be true...
Many jain temple were made into Hindu temples after some treaty ...
For example, a friend of mine(also Hindu) told me.
Jain were allowed to keep either their gometeshwar temple or Jain temple(Tirupati balaji). Jain chose gomteshwara and Hindu got their Tirupati temple

But then only a possiblity...

varathu said...

Here, length of argument given. Very good argument indeed. But, basic thing is missing.

Building strong but basement is weak. Silapathikaram came around 200CE author Ilango Addigal who himself Jain clearly said there are three Important Shrines every Vasinavan must vist Sriranga, Thriupathi and Kanchi.

Unknown said...

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Anonymous said...

But we can't stay quiet even
If the brahmins wanna worship the idol let them but with the purity..they can't touch the idol unless they have wore the shudh vastra and mukhkosh on face....

yash said...

Jai jinendra everyone.hum log ye na fight kare kihum Hindu hai ya jain.apne bahut si jain mandir ko dekhne wale koi nahi hai.kam se kam Balaji mandir me itne bakht to aarahe hai.agar wo mandir bhi jain Ki ho gayi to usse bhi dekhne wale koi nahi rahega aur woh mandir bhi sunsaan ho jaayegi.Tirupati jao.NEMINATH BHAGWAN Ki murthi hai us murthi ka Darshan karo.jai jinendra

Anonymous said...

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TOPUTHOLASI said...

hi, I go to tirupati temple every month,
1. The face of god is not hidden during abshiekam, I have seen the god with my own eyes. It doesnt resemble any jain statues.

2. There is a seperate architecture method for building temples in hinduism, for an assumption let me consider tirupati is a jain temple if so then why arent all jain temples built in similar fashion????

3. If these are jain temples then why isnt tamil used in any of the jain temples?????

4. Moreover if jains were the people who built all these shrines then why isnt any shrine built in north like these ????

5. If jains were dravidians then why isnt tamil their major language??

6. I dunno if jain saints are allowed to marry but this article states that thiruvalluvar is a jain saint, if so he had a wife named vasavi, kindly clarify this point.

7. During abshiek the god is made entirely naked without dress jewels, flowers and not even the namam in forehead. So if you dunno the practice in tirumala then kindly do not post fake articles.

8. I would like you to see all the 108 divya sthalam and then come to a consensus.



A.Nagarathna Bhat said...

Jains came to south india with King chandra gupta mourya. Did they convert all Hindu temples as Jain temples?

Apoorav Jain said...

You all are such an idiot.. Just see the statue again.. its in the digambr jain form i.e in without clothes and in standing position.. Also there is a symbol "SHELL" below the statue that completely prooves its a jain temple as "SHELL" is the symol of Lord Neminath (22nd trithankara of Jainism.. In earlier post i have seen that somebody wrote that "is jain temple is oldest one???".. Jain religion can proof that jain religion is the oldest religion and all other religion diverted/migrated from it.. But i will also challenge that no other religion will able to proove that there religion was oldest one.. There are written facts in Jainism.. and Lord Mahaveera is not belongs to Hindu family... I am giving the open challenge to all that according to your religion give any proof that there religion was the oldest one.. I am giving the valid proofs that jain is the oldest religion..

Jain said...

http://www.speakingtree.in/blog/jtai-tirupati-balaji-is-a-jain-temple-of-dravid-civiliz

Alok Shah said...

Before many years... In Dabhoi... I had heard about the real history of Balaji Temple from an esteemed Jain Aacharya Vardhmansurishwarji in Dabhoi that it is basically Jain Temple... But at that time I was only 15 years old... Now I am at the age of 40 and fully satisfied with the fact that the Jain Aacharyas spread real knowledge and facts to people......
Jai Nemnath... Jai jinendra.... Aalok Shah 9067300975

Anonymous said...

Jai ambe
Jai jinendra
Jai Shri Krishna
I agree jain is an unbreakable part of Hinduism. In fact it's Hindu only. Lord rishabhdev is an avatar of lord vishnu. Means he is lord krishna only. Infact all tirthankars are lord vishnu only. Lord rishabhdev taught us agriculture and cooking. Bhagwan takes avatar and teaches us something. Infact there is a same story of lord shankeshwar parshwanath and Lord shrinathji. There was a cow who used to come and give milk at same place and from there the murti of shankeshwar parshwanath was found and murti of lord shrinathji was found. The story is of different place but same story. He is also lord krishna only. So all god are lord vishnu only. We all r Hindus because r marriage is of Hindu. We have kul devi deta. We have ambe maa, laxmi maa, Saraswati maa, hanumanji etc. We worship lord ganesh first. So this indicates we all are Hindus. Lord neminathji and Lord tirupatibalaji also one. And this also confirmed by jain Acharaya jinasena that lord rishabhdev is lord vishnu indeed krishna. And vaishnavas also worship lord rishabhdev.

Anonymous said...

Yes I agree with this anonymous that Jain's are Hindus. But Buddhists are little same to Hinduism but are fully different because their marriage ceremony is full different and they don't have kul Devi devta and much more.

Anonymous said...

Jai matrabhoomi

Krishna shah said...

I m half jain and half soni. And I agree that jains is an inseparable part of hindus and there is no much difference between the two and I agree jains are Hindus.

Nidhi Sharma said...

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Anonymous said...

Lord neminath or Lord venkateshwara both one and the same. Jains part of Hindus true

SETH said...

Dear all check the rare pictures of Tirupati Bajali . All experts can decide for whether is Jain Tirthankar Neminath or Lord Balaji. I am a jain myself and to me it does not make any difference. Let us not get into any debate and divide.
http://blog.chaukhat.com/2009/08/tirupati-balaji-views-not-even-personal.html

SETH said...

THE URL FOR THE BLOG IS http://blog.chaukhat.com/2009/08/tirupati-balaji-views-not-even-personal.html

Jr. Williams said...

why kamasutra idols are present in a hindu temple?
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Anonymous said...

Whatever be the God in Tirumala ,every day millions are people worshipping as GOVINDA and Venkateshwara is blessing all. Jain people always moves in a polite way not fight for their identity or caste. the people above fighting for the temple history found be from jain is strictly stupidness to their culture itself. some one said that chandragupta maurya had spread his 12000 disciples to south but he cannot approach the powerfull tamil kings under pandiya chola chera and pallavan time. Since the dravidan culture emerge a past ten thousand years ago and the famous works , sculpture by tamilans were found to be get jelous by the jains and other north cum people which make them to feel to praise them by them only rather than knowing the true culture and religion . Everyone had their own culture and please stop blaming others culture as they turend jain into this like tat and jain people never fight itself. Before the mahavir emerge many tamil poems were emerged and have historical proof too as tamil culture not as jain culture . So better stop this work and work for real jain temple and not for the fake issuing jain temple. If u pray to Lord balaji as GOVINDA he will bless all.

Debosmita Roy said...

A very informative post on temples in Tirupati. They are very famous pilgrimage centers in India and observe huge number of devotees every day.

Siddhant jain said...

Hi all,
I just want to say that people who say they know about jainism can you please tell that why the posture of jain idol either standing or sitting is something different. Do you really know the reason and truth about it.?? And i have seen the idol of badrinath temple in north at 4.30am when abhishek was performed on it. That is also a jain idol.

Anonymous said...

Stop the argument. There is no God, there is no supreme power. Believe in yourself and practice ethics in all aspects of life. Change all temples to orphanages and hospitals for the poor.

Jayesh O said...

Hi,
The blog is quite interesting , and would also be glad if you'll can enlighten me on the origin of jainism .
Please correct me if I'm wrong,
My understanding about jainism is that the religion evolved into the main stream of santana dharma from Sri Lanka, and this happened because of conflict that erupted between Bodh believers and Jain believers and Jains were forced to leave their land as bodh beleivers claimed the jain preaching an offence , Jains abandoned Sri Lanka and migrated into southern Bharat the land of dravids here they settled and started preaching Jainism again a conflict erupted between Sanatana believers and to find an amicable solution without violence , Aadi guru Sri Sankaracharya was called upon to settle the conflict the enlightened virtuous guru called upon a verbal debate and declared that the loser will abandon the land the debate was won by Aadi Guru Sri Sankaracharya and Jains had to leave the southern part and travelled north west .
I apologise for any clerical errors and my comments have no intentions of hurting any religion , just putting forward my knowledge in modest language , my intention is too seek knowledge, I apologise again if at all I have hurt you by my words .
jayesho@gmail.com

Jayesh O said...

Hi,
The blog is quite interesting , and would also be glad if you'll can enlighten me on the origin of jainism .
Please correct me if I'm wrong,
My understanding about jainism is that the religion evolved into the main stream of santana dharma from Sri Lanka, and this happened because of conflict that erupted between Bodh believers and Jain believers and Jains were forced to leave their land as bodh beleivers claimed the jain preaching an offence , Jains abandoned Sri Lanka and migrated into southern Bharat the land of dravids here they settled and started preaching Jainism again a conflict erupted between Sanatana believers and to find an amicable solution without violence , Aadi guru Sri Sankaracharya was called upon to settle the conflict the enlightened virtuous guru called upon a verbal debate and declared that the loser will abandon the land the debate was won by Aadi Guru Sri Sankaracharya and Jains had to leave the southern part and travelled north west .
I apologise for any clerical errors and my comments have no intentions of hurting any religion , just putting forward my knowledge in modest language , my intention is too seek knowledge, I apologise again if at all I have hurt you by my words .
jayesho@gmail.com

Gajanan Jadhao said...

Tirupati Balaji is originally a buddhist temple...the mundan is done still there clearly indicates its neither hindu nor jain temple ...its buddhust monastery...mundan is dine still by buddhist bhikkhu...

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Anonymous said...

You should read about Jainism first. Jainism was not founded by Mahavira, he is actually last (24th) Tirthankara (Enlightened souls). Jainism dates back to Indus Valley civilization. According to Jain texts, it's much older than that.
There is nothing like Aryan-Dravidian divide. It's British theory to divide India. New discoveries shows that Aryan and Dravidian races are same with origins in Indus valley.

Unknown said...

Truth should be known to all. One should file a PIL in Supreme Court and court should bring out the facts. Idol without clothing n ornaments should be shown to all

Narendra Jain said...

Truth should be known to all. One should file a PIL in Supreme Court and court should bring out the facts. Idol without clothing n ornaments should be shown to all

Anonymous said...

Just go and see how is Shravanbelagola temple. It looks more like tirupati temple.

Anonymous said...

You have got it all wrong. Relics and coins in Indus valley had Jain deities on them. Jainism is way older than Buddhism and Hinduism.

Anonymous said...

Mundan is done in Jainism too. There is no dispute here. It's confusion as history is not clear.

Anonymous said...

Vedic religion fully entered in South India only after 800 A.D. Most temples built by Chola, Pallava jain kings are Jain temples of Dravidian style. There was a time when 100% south Indians were following Samanar Traditions ( sramanic or Jain) ..Heritage in Mahabalipuram is all from Jain kings and jain temples converted or chiselled out. Most Jaina caves and Jain rock cut beds including Mahabalipuram in Tamilnadu are now called Panch pandva caves or Arjuna penace, when archaeology believes that it has nothing to do with Mahabharata. All so called old temples in Tamilnadu are originally tamil jain temples.

Source: Quora
https://www.quora.com/Is-the-idol-in-the-Tirupati-Temple-actually-the-idol-of-Jains-god

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

What kind of stupidities you people speak. There is no mention of Rishaba in Rigveda. And he is not the father of Bharata. That story starkly contradicts the more well known and attested story of Dushyanta the puru.

indl land@ kashipur 09837023157 said...

No need of controversy .
all religions are base on belief. If it is believed for 1000 years that this is Hindu temple, let it be ... Chakresh Jain

indl land@ kashipur 09837023157 said...

No need of controversy .
all religions are base on belief. If it is believed for 1000 years that this is Hindu temple, let it be ... Chakresh Jain

Shiva said...

I do not know whether Lord Venkaeshwara was a Jain Temple are other wise. But the fact of the matter is that, Jainism has evolved in Tamil Land from the ancient belief called Aasivagam. Saints of Aasivagam were called Ammanargal in Tamil, (Ammanam in Tamil means nude, Ammana saint means nude saints). Over a period of time the word Ammana has become samana (like most of the other words in Tamil where 'aa' sound becomes 'sa', like “avai” for “court or auditorium” in Tamil becomes “sabai” and “amaial” for cooking becomes samayal in Tamil). Thus Ammana became samana. The word Samana when was adopted in north became Jayana and finally to Jain ( this is a natural vulgarity of language where sound “sa” becomes “ja” in north (say Sanskrit or Hindi), for instance Salam of Tamil for water becomes Jalam or Jal in north, Suram for fever in Tamil becomes Jwaram in north, Saadi of Tamil to mean caste becomes jathi in north, so on. The words like Thirthankarar, Parshwanatha, Sravanabelagola, Theravada, Aanikandavadha,,Nirvanam, etc are all words from Tamil origin. It is very likely that all the ancient Samana or Aasivagam concepts looted into Hinduism via Sanskritization. Therefore, if one reads texts like Siva Gnana Bhodam written by Mai Kandar which has no Sanskrit influence gives us a different understanding of Shava Siddhantam than the one in Sanskrit.


Sanskrit as a language helped the north guys (aryas) to do this with lot of ease. Sanskrit was not a language for common use, it was not a mother tongue of any one. It was a language in the form of "lingua franca", and was used for specific purpose (in case of Sanskrit it was used by only Brahmins and Brahmins never used to teach this to others). It was a language to uphold secrets and convey whatever is mentioned in Sanskrit as God's words (thus it was called deva bahsa). The scholars have inserted Bhagavath Geetha during Brahma Aditya Gupta Period with a vested interest as an insertion in Mahabarata, while actually Lord Krishna did not say anything in the war field to Arjuna. As a matter of fact there was absolutely no time to say so much in the war field. It was inserted into BG only to convey the message of varna ashramam, that God himself created four varnas and Brahmins from the face of God and shudras from the foot of God. Does’t it look bull shit, why should God create varnas, when he is capable of creating another species (it is believed that 84 lakh species were created by him). Based on this Manu Smruthi goes on a rampage in fortifying the caste system and adds two more sub varnas called Panchamas and Chandalas. All these things are not fund in Tamil scriptures. Tamil scriptures are caste free.


Good number of Tamil saints have adopted Samanam and some of them came back as "Ghar vapsi" those days. Saints like Uppar was one such Tamil Saint. AdiShankara also clubbed six faiths all existing differently into one faith by creating a coalition in the religions faith called shan matha stapana.

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Unknown said...

Then why don't u asj Shree. Narendra Modi to investigate the whole temple with brahmins nd jains to remove the doubts!

milind kamble said...

It's a buddhist Temple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=obq1D8sWS1E

EnmanuelPhoenix said...


Greco-roman centered power is hiding the truth of our peaceful samana ancestors.

There is evidence that the minoan civilization was an offshot of the samana, the archaic Apollo before it was turned into a sun god by the bloodthirsty and greedy hellenics is no other than Bahubali. Coins with the swastika and the bull (both symbols of the samanas) from ancient crete match coins found on srilanka, as well as statues of standing digambaras with jata(dreadlocks) identical with Bahubali and also statues of a goddess holding cobras, there are no cobras in greece and it pretty much matches the motif of jain goddess padmavati.

Pythagoras beliefs match those of a samana and he was an apollo (bahubali) worshiper.

The genesis myth of the old testament also comes from samana:, Adam, Cain, Abel and Seth are no other than Adinath, Bharata, Bahubali and Siddha (Bahubali after reaching enlightment). Too many elements of the story match to be a coincidence, Adam being naked in paradise and Adinath meditating naked in bhoga bhumi among kalpavrikshas, the rivalry between the greedy Cain (bharata) who tries to kill his own brother bahubali - abel. And the spiritual master Seth whose name is almost identical to Siddha. Ismaeli gnostic muslims are aware of this connection.



Ranjeet Kumar Eerlapati said...

Lord venkateshwara is authentic. Mentioned in scriptures. Dont be fanatic.

Anonymous said...

Look who is talking

Please answer


Why Jains are called MAAJAN YA MAAJAN AND NOT MAHAJAN

Why your temples are called JINALAYA is that mean Home of JINS.

What Does JINS refer to...............???



You don't know history of your religion and now posting nonsense just to create BUZZ

Hinduism is the oldest tradtion and religion followed and JAIN are part of the HINDU religion, yes very much part of hindu religion and we hindus don't have problem with this, But people like you post Nonsense thing for some nonsense reason.

Anonymous said...

"Hinduism is the oldest tradtion and religion followed and JAIN are part of the HINDU religion, yes very much part of hindu religion and we hindus don't have problem with this, But people like you post Nonsense thing for some nonsense reason.
You don't know history of your religion and now posting nonsense just to create BUZZ"
theese words are perfectly correct

Anonymous said...

let us assume the idol be a digambar only,then what?
what is your message?
you mean all dravidians are jains?
without knowing the history of tamil's religion and language ,do not write such things.
tamil language is pre historic.

Anonymous said...

Jainism is an independent religion and not a part of Hinduism. Though there are several lifestyle similarities between both of them, but actually both the religions are independent religions and among the oldest in the world. The fact is that very few people know about Jainism.

Pls check this case as I found on the internet:
"1939 - In Hirachand Gangji v. Rowji Sojpal reported in AIR 1939 Bombay 377, it was observed that "Jainism prevailed in this country long before Brahmanism came into existence and held that field, and it is wrong to think that the Jains were originally Hindus and were subsequently converted into Jainism.""

Pls respect both religions and let the truth prevail. There should not be any problems with either religion to bring truth in front of everyone.

ML said...

I'm glad someone brought this topic up. Its the search for truth. Most of you must notice, although you think Jains are claiming Tirupati Balaji temple to be originally jain (which looks to be true) they are humble to let the practices in the temple go on as they are. No one is causing riots to change the identity of the temple or its name. Let the hindus continue to pray the lord as Balaji, let the prevailing faith remain....but at the same time truth must not be hidden. Jains are not looking to glorify their religion but just want the truth known to the public. That's all.

Dhaval said...

The aryan invasion has no scientific proof. This was British ploy to legitimize their rule.

Anonymous said...

Why go for history.
God lies in your heart.
Forget which civilisation and be civilised to that extent.
There is lot more in the life to discuss and enjoy.

Ram said...

I thought Hinduism and rest of all religion itself was born from Jainism so whole world and the temples of entire world had Jain forms and later on were converted to respective religions.

Subhash Jain said...

Good news

Anonymous said...

We all know that Christ didn't married a Kerala Hindu girl

Anonymous said...

The temple belongs to a Qualified committee of horse traders knows as attu Patti. They were Jain girl lovers who married Hindu and flirted with Sikh. Scientifically they were developed sperms of their fathers. Eggs of their mother.

V K Jain said...

True it is 21st Jain Tirthankar Nemi Nath Bhagwan Ji.

V K Jain said...

Correct

V K Jain said...

Correct it is God Nemi Nath of Jain's.

Anonymous said...

It's is very sad that no jain is thinking our religion say. I have taken printout and shown this to my jain maharaj (I am also Jain),he was so sad with the comments of fellow jain brothers. We never encourage fight and everyone is fighting for something for which nobody knows the fact. If this is Jain temple you should do prayer in temple nobody can justify only fighting for making it jain temple and not praying. It you have time to use this to worship God.

jayantilal mugdiya said...

Jain is the oldest religion in the world

jayantilal mugdiya said...

Jain is the oldest religion in the world

Anonymous said...

Please refer Srimad Bhagavatham. Jainism originated from a business man called Arhanth who in turn was influenced by Rishabhadeva who himself was one of 24 Vishnu avataras. Let us stop discussing about to whom it belongs to, the source of both these so called religions is the same

Unknown said...

JAI JAI SHREE NAMINATHDADA NI JAI

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Anonymous said...

Rishabhdev bhagwan is avatar of vishnu bhagwan. And Tirupati Balaji bhagwan is vishnu bhagwan and so neminath bhagwan is aso vishnu bhagwan.

Anonymous said...

Stop fighting people. We all are Hindus whether we are brahman Jain or vaishnav. We all are Hindus. And Jain is also part of Hindus. And Tirupati Balaji is our Bhagwanji.

Anonymous said...

Are q tera mera karte ho?
Sare dharam India me hi bane hue he.
Hum sab chahe kisi bhi dharm k ho par he to sare Indians hi na.
Is tarah se desh me ashanti feil sakti he ye aap sab ko pata he.
Q shanti bhang karte ho?
Aap k apne apne jo bhi dharm he aur jo bhi bhagvan he jinhe aap pujte ho vo ye to nahi chahenge k hum dharm k naam par jhagde karen??
Shanti se sukh se jiyo aur jine do.
Aur fir Jaino ka to dhrm hi he shanti aur ahinsa ko follow krna.
To sare Bharat vasiyon!!
Jiyo aur Jine do
OM SHANTI.

RAJANIKANTH said...

Think of history....... if kaanchipuram is a jain temple how come paandavas visited it before starting of jainism! !!!

Kahaan do theen hajaar saal ke kahhaniya sunathe hein. Bhaarath ka itihaas karodo saal puraani hein.

raajkibaat said...

When Good becomes God, there is no your God or my God...... Just Do Good and all God is yours

Pratik Sanghvi said...

Please follow your heart , in any case gods are not interested in our interpretation of themselves. Whether it's a jain temple or a vaishnav temple we are just satisfising our hunger of winning a righteous place for our God. jain thirthankars or lord krishna have left all materialistic things and they are not going to shower praises if we win the temple for them.

So let's go to the temple close our eyes and pray "please show me the path of salvation and keep me away from such disturbances"

At the same time the best way for the government and temple authority is to be truthful to public...we are followers of ahimsa...we should not argue to change the name or make any changes. We should ask 2 history to be written at the enterance...for the devotee to decide his faith.

Devotee has the right to correct information

ADI PRAKASH Jain said...

I just curious about the verdict supreme court. Anyone may pl. Share. Vaise, its true.

ML said...

Jainism flourished in South regions in the early centuries & spread so wide that even common people started practising vegetarianism, maintained selflessness,peace etc. Brahmins started fearing vedic (vaishnavism/shaivism) will vanish. They plotted a plan n poisoned the mind of the ruler that time, I think Pandya King Kulasekaran, and Jain monks & even followers were killed/speared alive. They forced people to stop following jainism & this completely erased it. This is no story, but the truth. Most of the famed literary Tamil writers/poets were Jains. Silappadikaram is written by a Jain monk. Manimegalai etc all great works of Jains at that time. Pls Google search or ask any learned researcher.

I live in Madurai & know this. U can even find the pictures of those heinous killings as paintings/carvings on the meenakshi Temple walls. How many Jain idols have been unearthed & how many hv been converted as Hindu gods & Temples. There are still Tamil speaking, kannada speaking Jain communities existing. What u talk of are Jains like us who have migrated from gujarat or rajasthan to South.

ML said...

True.

ML said...

I applause you for sharing this piece of this valuable information.

Radha manohar said...

all your great comments are my comments daily vitamins.

T R Rao said...

It is a fact that the religion of the day flourishes by the support of the rulers of the day. During mauryan times, Jainism spread into South India due to the patronage of kings like Bimbisara who attained mahaparinirvana at shravan belagola in Karnataka. After the Kalina war, Emperor Ashoka patronized Buddhism and spread it not only in India but to many corners of the world. With the end of Mauryan era, dynasties like kakatiyas, cholas, pallavas, chalukyas, rashtrakutas, and others patronized Hinduism and spread the same as the right state religion. We have to remember that Hinduism was not a new religion but was revived after the patronage to Jainism and Buddhism ended. History tells us that within Hinduism there were internecine battles between shaivites and vaishnavites which were violent too till the time the rulersrealized that both the sects are an offshoot of the Hinduism. Jainism and Buddhism borrowed the tenets of the Hinduism and built upon the same foundations, except that budhism catered to the lower rungs of the society. It's all encompassing nature made it a much loved religion

T R Rao said...

Thus, any religion becomes relevant by the patronage from the rulers of the day and we can not say that one religion is better than the other as all the religions are based on the same principles and practices

Anonymous said...

My reply is not to accuse anyone (Hindu or any other) but a wakeup call to judge things not based on emotions.
Most of reply is directed to Hindus because I live in India and Hindus are majority and who also claims right to other sites destroyed by other invaders.
If you have right to claim based on proofs then others to have same right.

At the same time I want to tell my Jain brothers that just being born in Jain religion does not make you great humans. So do practice Jainism in your every action.

As a Jain and if it’s true that god exists then I am not worried about decline because that’s the design as said in Avsarpini and Utsarpini.
But that doesn’t mean you seat back and relax. You have to keep doing what’s right.

One thing I can say for sure that Jainism always provided freedom to express different views and that’s why India have so many religions, sects etc.
Today’s Hinduism does not allow that is a fact and the Brahmin way of Hinduism never allowed that.

Hindus can’t claim that they never forced others or never destroyed other’s culture like Muslims (Be it Mangol or Turk or Arab) or Christians or Persians and so on.
There are enough evidences of killings of innocent, peace loving, armless Jain sadhus and Sadhavi, Killings of Buddhist monks by Brahmins.
And like one asked, do you have any such example of killing by Jains?


@ TR RAO,
Its Chandragupta who attained nirvana at Shravanabelagola and so the hill is called Chandragiri and the hill with statue of Bahubali is Vindhyagiri.
Nothing against patronizing and so religion spreading but the way it is patronized.
If people were terrified to change faith then it’s wrong; That's why Muslims or Christians are hated by other religions; Hindus most as they are majority in today's time.

Many people (Hindus) in their replies suggested others not to claim supremacy and yet used word Sanatana. Isn't it double standard?
What's wrong in claiming old relics which have documented proof of forceful possession?
Aren't Hindus (Here Hindu mean religion and not the way of living life) claiming Ram Mandir and other temples?

@ those Jains who thinks Jainism is offshoot of Hinduism or same as Hinduism, Spend more time studying religion and you will find fundamental differences.
then you will also start thinking about possible cause of birth of different ways of living the life.

Those who said all Tirthankaras were not married, it only shows you have not (well) studied about (all 24) Tirthankaras or even 24th i.e. Mahaveer.

Those who said, Jain follows Hindu traditions (don't know on what basis they claimed all things as Hindu tradition) and so they are offshoot of Hinduism,
They are ignorant of the fact that Jain followers are peace loving (And more so after Mahaveer emphasized more on non-violence) and developed and preached many principles to live peaceful life (Live and Let Live).
And with dwindling population, they either adopted or forced to adopt certain practices to gel well with Majority.

This is another reason to claim (fight) rightful place so that coexistence cannot be used as fact or basis to say Jainism is offshoot of Hinduism.

@EnmanuelPhoenix - Yes, As I study more about history, civilization, It become more loud to believe that there is link between Indian gods and gods of Roman, Greeks (and many more) and may be civilization before them are one and same. May be the great flood (Noah's Ark - described in Book of Genesis in the Old Testament and in many other all around world) and which I read somewhere is also described in Jain texts is time when all this started. How could without much of communication so many religions across vast land used same story? Can it be that all were living in same areas and then spread to different lands and over long time there roots forgotten and new created? Or may be over years, people came in contact and borrowed things and used them to preach in own way. Difficult to say.

Anonymous said...

Continuation to above post

@SHUBHAM JAIN - I agree with your thoughts that it seems more of a separation of 2 paths of worship. One part followed its core and so lost history; because many of its kings and learned people took to true Jainism which teaches of giving away to attain moksha. When you give away (of course in good faith) and other forces try to over shadow you then what else will happen. Sometime I feel, Jainism is declining because of its own teachings of Aparigraha (Non-attachment/Non-possession).


The difference I see in Jainism and Hinduism (I always objected to this word as it was given by outsiders after 8 AD or may be after 10-11 AD) is the way of worship. Hinduism is lot about hiding true facts and may be because a normal person can't digest naked knowledge and needs to be taught using symbols and articulated stories.

Also know the fact that, Ahimsa in Jainism is very deep concept and not only related to animal killings. Its Mahaveer who emphasized more on it and removed many illogical and outdated (for its time and valid in today's time) practices which were exploiting people. Unfortunately Brahmins continued such practices to exploit people. Buddhism gained acceptance purely because of these depriving practices and as way to rebel and climb in social ladder. It can be called as Kranti for that time. It was just like condition in other cultures giving rise to new religions.

I believed India never attacked other countries but over the period I understand why? Because India itself was so much big, powerful and wealthy that it wasn't required to attack others. The so called Hindus who claim they never attacked others, it should be eye opener that they are the one who created caste systems and social layers. They are one who invited outsiders to attack this great land like Alexander and later many others and for what? Power, Money and worldly happiness.

Only outsiders can call more outsiders to gain control over locals and so I can conclude those in today's time call themselves Hindus are outsiders. They don't understand difference between way of life and religion.

As Jain, all Jains should introspect whether they are real Jains and those who call Hindus, should check if the people they follow really understands Hinduism. If they do, god knows why they fight based on language (Marathi Vs Gujrathi, Marwari, Punjabi, Sindhi in Maharashtra, I don't know about other states as I live in Maharashtra) apart from fighting with other outsiders like Muslims and Christians.

As Jain, if we have enough proofs we should ask for our share of glory and going forward stop fighting within and protect whatever left.
Protect not to claim any supremacy over other but for rightful existence or have faith and wait for time cycles.

After all time cycle changes with the change in behavior of followers. @EnmanuelPhoenix, wow, this is another link between concepts (Gods become powerful with prayers of Human and if they stop praying then evil becomes powerful. I am saying based on films like sea of Monsters and like and not proper study).

Anonymous said...

Guys , First be open for truth irrespective of your religion. Jain should be ready to accept that Balaji statue is not Thirthankar Neminath statue and Hindus should be ready to accept that it is Thirthankar Neminath statue.
On internet there are lots of Haox because anybody can write anything.

If you interested in facts go down to south and visit all beautiful temples belongs to different sect. Jains and Hindus.

Jains are not asking to revert the status of Balaji temple they are happy with status quo only thing they demanding is let the truth come in public whatever someone did in the past should be accepted as historical fact, let the people of India acknowledge and accept the uniqueness of Jain religion and contribution to Indian History.

Most important that Jains dont want to claim the Balaji Temple let it be the way it is going on.
Jains just want to get the historical fact corrected so that jains of India can pass the information to our young generation who is declining the uniqueness of jain religion and merging with Hindu religion. Getting the historical fact corrected help the jains to revive the faith of young generation

Truth said...

You think so but unfortunately if all jain think so there's no jainesm left.if jainesm part of Hinduism than show many Hindu pray in a jain temple.like other religion bhudism shikh jain is different from Hinduism.just search witch is oldest religion u got the answer.we jain also pray laxmi Ganges,we r in the process of converesm.sorry if any body hurts.

Truth said...

Nice.

Unknown said...

Hello i am anuj i just want to know some answers about your jain dharm so those guy who have full information pls reply and answer my question otherwise go back and dont discuss about this temple

ML said...

True. Well said, but it hurts when the Truth is distorted & buried.

ML said...

Misconception. Pls meet some historians,get references from ancient Jain texts, information about monuments from ASI and of coz.....some nice, well articulated, harmonious, educated elites of our country.....probably you might reach the truth. Doesn't matter if you accept it or not.

:-)

ML said...

Well said!

ML said...

The problem arose when the Vaishnavites & Shaivites wanted to empower & destroy Jainism. Hinduism is given a special status & followed as a separate religion giving all importance to Shiva, Vishnu etc. Why the Hindus, the non-Jains don't know a thing about Jainism? Why is Mahavir or Rushabhdev or any of the tirthankars not prayed by the non-Jains? So much of Mythology & Superstition has creeped into Hinduism than what it originally was supposed to be. Hindu or Hinduism is a term coined only for convenience of understanding, probably by westerners. The mother of all religions is Shraman dharm. And Jainism is the only religion closest to it today. Why are we ignoring the facts that did destroy Jainism that was so wide spread all over the country? Esp,the south. It is more important to understand & accept truth if we really want oneness in religion. There are enough records even after many being destroyed & distorted that reveal ancient beliefs & life style of people. Like they say, truth reveals itself....so many escavations are leading us to question and re-think what we think we know.

Jai Jinendra. May peace be.

ML said...

Get your facts right, bro. To begin with, there was nothing called Hinduism in those ages. Rest- you must read, browse, hear from some learned historians, religious leaders, study artifacts & ancient religious texts like the Kalpasutra or even Rig vedas.

Umesh said...

Guys, do you really think that fighting on this blog will help us in declaring the Balaji Temple as a Jain Temple? Also, if we go to Court or at any one (PM or President), nobody is going to help us. So, instead of writing here we need to find out a way on which everybody is going to agree...

Arvind jain said...

You mr. Unknown,plz. Go through the jain philosophy researchs done by many scholars of world, you will come to know that Hindu is not dharma but a life style, dharm is vedik dharm which was adopted by hindus. In Rigveda tirthankar Adinath has been mentioned as 9th avtar of Vishnu, it means Adinath and Jainism was persisting in pre aryan history. Word hindu came from river sindhu,Sindhus were speaking sa as ha,therefore sindhu was pronounced as hindu.if you are really Jain it is surprising for me that you are mixing jainism and hinduism. Hindu have avtar theory wheras jainism have moksh theory,once the soul gets keval gyan and leave the body and sansar it never come back.there are many other differences in both the philosophies.

ML said...

Fantastic! Thx for sharing.

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